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| Medic!; Are they worth the slot? | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 11 2007, 05:35 PM (1,045 Views) | |
| Full Metal Ninja | Oct 11 2007, 05:35 PM Post #1 |
Dammit Sasori!! Stop hogging all the good bodies!
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Do you think that medic nins are worth the slot they get in a three man team? Would you rather have a strike ninja? |
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| Masterjc | Oct 11 2007, 05:36 PM Post #2 |
Aizen Brand
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I think kabuto and Sakura have shown medic nin have to be healing only |
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| roman183 | Oct 11 2007, 05:38 PM Post #3 |
Chuunin
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it really depends on the situation, and anyways, there have mostly been 4 man teams, 3 genin, 1 jounin and such, and the organiztaion tsunade to put up to take out akatsuki, they are in 4 man teams, i think a medic nin is more appropriate if you outnumber the opponent, but if the odds are stacked against you, you should pick a strike nin |
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| Full Metal Ninja | Oct 11 2007, 05:45 PM Post #4 |
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Dammit Sasori!! Stop hogging all the good bodies!
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what exactly was the rule that Tsunade put in place abount ninja teams and medic nin? |
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| roman183 | Oct 11 2007, 05:48 PM Post #5 |
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1 on every team if they can i think, or sometihng like that |
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| Elyon | Oct 11 2007, 05:51 PM Post #6 |
Jounin
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Medical ninja are extremely important. A medic on each team can nearly guarantee there would be few if any casualties, and little injury depending on the skill of the medic and how hard the opponent hits. |
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| kaneda | Oct 12 2007, 01:48 PM Post #7 |
The Biker
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medics should be on the team, just not worthless...they should have some skill in fighting..,which kabuto, sakura, and tsunade have all shown |
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| Elyon | Oct 12 2007, 04:35 PM Post #8 |
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The only skill they should have is dodging and hiding, aside from medical ninjutsu. If they die, the team is much more likely to follow. |
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| Full Metal Ninja | Oct 12 2007, 08:26 PM Post #9 |
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Dammit Sasori!! Stop hogging all the good bodies!
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But there is a such thing as evasive combat. I think if there going to be there they have to do more than just hide and heal. |
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| Elyon | Oct 12 2007, 09:19 PM Post #10 |
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Jounin
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The only thing they're needed for is healing. They shouldn't have to fight, just know how to defend themselves. |
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| Hiei | Oct 20 2007, 10:32 AM Post #11 |
Ninja Academy Student
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Yeah, every main character medical nin kicks ass. I'd say they should always have one. |
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| NejiiFanBoii | Oct 21 2007, 12:56 AM Post #12 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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Waste of a space if you ask me They pretty much stna don the sidelines and usually need to be protected |
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| Elyon | Oct 21 2007, 01:08 AM Post #13 |
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They also keep people from dying and can put a person in an inescapable death, if they know enough. Far from a waste of space. |
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| JiraiyaEX | Oct 5 2009, 06:12 PM Post #14 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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Well, I think it depends. If they are are awesome at healing and Fighting(like Kabuto, not that I like him I am just saying he good at both.And Tsuande. She is awesome.) then yes. But Sakura? NO. I think she should be replaced by... I dont know. A non Medical nin. |
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| Mechalich | Oct 5 2009, 06:40 PM Post #15 |
Scientist-nin
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The question as to the value of ninja medics is warped by how few standard missions we've seen. However, it is possible to evaluate the situation in the abstract. A medical ninja is only useful if their value as support outweighs the additional value a standard ninja presents to the 4-person combat platoon, AND if the medic's value is only available via a dedicated presence within the squad as opposed to simply having the medical ninja in a rapid response team at the edge of the combat zone (during wartime) or in support facilities (during peacetime). Now, a ninja medic is only valuable with regard to a certain kind of injuries. These are: injuries that significantly reduce combat effectiveness but do not cause immediate, or nearly immediate death, and only injuries of this type where the medic's ninjutsu is more effective than standard emergency first aid (in which we can assume all ninja have training). On a standard battlefield that would be quite a few wounds, but on a Naruto battlefield it's less than you'd think. The simple realty is that most jutsu of C-rank or above will immediately slay almost all ninja they manage to hit cleanly and do little to no damage if they miss (please note, the major series characters all break this rule through plot armor and other workarounds, but policy would not be based on such exceptional individuals). Additionally, given the difficulty of holding ninja and the lack of any sort of international military law, it is presumably normal policy practice to slay the wounded on battlefields, so any ninja isolated from his comrades for more than a few seconds should be treated as dead. And of course, this is presuming upon an equality of combatants that we know does not exist. Most of the time two ninja who encounter each other will have such drastically different levels of power that one will go through the other like a knife through butter, and there will be no role for the medic. Having a forth ninja in the group increases the chances that any encounter will involve the favorable match-up necessary to stand against a ninja at a power level above that of your own team, while having a medic decreases it significantly and the medic's powers are really only likely to save lives if you have to fight multiple engagements in a row. So, in all honesty, I would say having a medic present is only useful for a squad on a long-term mission in an isolated area. The rest of the time they're just likely to get themselves killed or would be more useful from the edge of the combat zone (as Tsunade was during the Pain assault on Konoha). |
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| Lightning XIII | Oct 31 2009, 03:12 AM Post #16 |
Bad final fantasy
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I say each team at least know one of the basic yet useful medic jutsu though it may seem unnecessary if you just have a First-Aid but having one step ahead is better than nothing. |
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| Uchiha Haku | Nov 8 2009, 02:45 PM Post #17 |
Chuunin
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I think itz important to have a medic in the team it greatly increases the success of the mission why do you think Orochimaru keeps kabuto around. |
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| CornellDarkheart | Nov 9 2009, 09:05 PM Post #18 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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I think Kabuto is doing it wrong. Sakura and Tsunade, however, have the right idea. Being able to throw punches that friggen destroy landscape can be used for tactical hiding and stalling, which gives them precious time they can use to heal people up. Also, Sasori would not have died had Sakura not come with anti-poisons and healing and Chiyo with her Tensei-Ninjutsu. |
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| Uchiha Haku | Nov 10 2009, 07:46 AM Post #19 |
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You telling that Kabuto cant throw a punch in the anime he keeps up wit Tsunade when Orochimaru's arms are injured rite before Jiriaya showed up with Naruto. |
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| CornellDarkheart | Nov 10 2009, 10:44 PM Post #20 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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I'm not saying Kabuto can't throw a punch. I'm saying that his punches can't be used in a tactical fashion that is buys a healer time to heal, unless he does the obvious and severely injury his opponent. Sakura and Tsunade could hide in landscape they destroy and heal a wounded teammate while their opponents search for them. Tsunade also demonstrated a nerve scrambling strike in that fight with Kabuto, which would also buy her time to heal. |
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| ryz | Nov 11 2009, 12:49 AM Post #21 |
Why so serious, Shichirou?
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Kabuto survived a rasengan, and also, he made a fake corpse on the go. He does have what it takes, just that, since he is a villain, he keeps using his knowledge for other, far more sinister, means. |
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| TehJammah | Nov 11 2009, 06:23 AM Post #22 |
Kneel before Karinzo!
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Kabuto's not so much a med nin as he is a mad/evil doctor/scientist. An anti-med nin if you will. |
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| Sardaukar | Nov 11 2009, 12:51 PM Post #23 |
Hit Girl
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Kabuto's moral alignment as compared to other characters does not change the fact that he is a medical ninja. |
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| Red Aurora | Nov 11 2009, 03:52 PM Post #24 |
You belong.
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I think medic ninjas are worth having on a team as long as they are strong fighters too. If a medic ninja is physically weak, I think that it would be best for he or she to stay back at the hospital. If more ninjas are trained like Tsunade or Sakura, as medics and fighters, then medic ninjas could be very essential to a team. Everyone knows the saying "sometimes a best defense is a good offence" and I think it is the same as far as medic ninjas go. If medic ninjas are weak fighters, an enemy could go for the weakest link and kill them off so that they cannot heal other cell members. However, if medic ninjas are strong, they can defend themselves against an attack and continue to heal the wounded. Multitasking with healing and fighting would be more likely with strong medics. There would be no point of having a medic ninja on a cell if he or she is a pushover in a fight. Also, I think Kabuto is a strong enough medic ninja to take on foes. As long as a medic ninja is a jonin or excellent chunin, that should be acceptable strength. Keep in mind that not all ninjas run into kage level foes, so that strength level is pretty acceptable for a medic. As long as a medic ninja is not completly surpassed by the strength of their teamates, that should be good enough. Edited by Red Aurora, Nov 11 2009, 03:55 PM.
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| Mechalich | Nov 11 2009, 04:22 PM Post #25 |
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The thing is, that assuming Medic ninja are fighters at or nearly equal to their peers is a way of dodging the controversy entirely. The whole issue of medics vs. standard in a platoon implicitly suggests that medics are weaker than than their peers in combat and that it takes longer to train them to a suitable level than those peers. Tsunade and Sakura are outliers, and Kabuto probably is too (though we've yet to be provided with the precise explanation as to his strange abilities). Kabuto is also a very poor example because his primary patient, Orochimaru, is caable of sustaining far more damage than an ordinary human being. A proper 'ninja-medic' is represented by the various lab-coat wearing types that have cruised around the series at a few points. They are portrayed as being weak in combat (though we've yet to actually see them fight). The deeper problem, however, is that there are very few fights in Naruto of the kind where a medic would be most useful: melees between a large number of equally matched opponents, or a larger group against a smaller group of opponents who only slightly outclass them. Most of the fights we see are one-on-one duels, or mass slaughters of mooks by one uber-character. The initial fight between Asuma's crew and Hidan is actually perhaps the best example of the kind of fight where it would be useful to have a medic and the results indicated that a medic was of no use at all in that scenario. Of course, as part two proceeds fewer and fewer of the existing characters are even biologically human so the function of medical jutsu becomes less and less relevant. |
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