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| Chapter 451 Discussion | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 10 2009, 04:18 AM (18,625 Views) | |
| ryukitsune | Jun 15 2009, 03:06 PM Post #726 |
Master of Logical Coolness
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Danzo wasn't on the scene when Hanzou attacked Nagato and since everyone but Hanzou died, Word probably didn't get out that he was defeated. Hanzou seems to have told others that the leaders had died, Creating the rumor that Jiraiya heard. Even if Danzo knew that a person had the Rinnegan, Jiraiya was defeated by a group of people with it, So connecting the two incidents would still be a leap. |
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| narutofan85 | Jun 15 2009, 03:38 PM Post #727 |
Ninja Academy Student
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Great Chapter. Can't wait to see what happens with Danzo and the order put out on Sasuke. Naruto is in quite a predicament. Should be some good fights coming up, wish it was Friday, lol |
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| Sai the artist | Jun 15 2009, 03:38 PM Post #728 |
So Much for Free Speech
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You didn't look at that page, did you? My point was that you didn't necessarily have to be close to see the eyes. And even if nobody ever told Danzou, he must have realized Hanzou was dead since he didn't hear from him anymore and they were allies. It wasn't that hard to imagine who must have killed him. (It also seems more probable that Nagato spread the rumor of their death himself, in order to keep himself a secret) And about the six bodies. By the time Pain arrived, they already knew in Konoha that Pain was one entity and probably Nagato, Jiraiya had already realized that during the fight. They just didn't know how it worked. And Danzou can't tell the truth behind what happened there. He was there to get Hanzou to help him to become Hokage, so not exactly on official business. Seems to me they just struck a shady deal. I'll help you dispose of those naive peace loving children and you help me become Hokage. Don't forget, Nagato and Yahiko were there to "begin peace negotiations between the three great countries". They didn't even want to take Hanzou's place as the leader of Amegakure, but a chance to create peace. They were gathering people for their quest for peace and weren't attacking anyone (this is obvious when you read chapter 446, page 11 - 13) |
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| Naruto Uzamaki | Jun 15 2009, 04:03 PM Post #729 |
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gr i hate danzou but i hate sasuke to :D sasuke is gonna get to leaf soon and either attack or join back with them (which i doubt he will) next manga i want them cloud ninjas to fight sasuke :D see how strong cloud ninjas are + i want to see kisame again cause his one the best chracters and i want to see him fight killer bee, kisame will own bumble bee its like bumble bee will get his swords out and kisame does one swipe and knocks em all flying lol and if sasuke almost beat him then kisame is definetly gonna win cause kisame could own suigetsu + karin + juugo + sasuke and when the f*** will zetsu have a ******* fight???????????????????? ¬¬ i not saw him have ONE fight yet all he does is spys on people i know thats his job but still we gotta see him fight someday bet his really strong (Y) oh and poor yamato using all that chakra to rebuild kohona he shud get a medal or something like that lol |
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Jun 15 2009, 04:10 PM Post #730 |
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Sasuke... you so funny. Okay, maybe tonight
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That's not the point. The point is you were talking about IF's. and so what if the frogs help, Naruto was fighting against 5 ninjas. Same for jiraya, people want to lable him like he didn't do a great job. Naruto took out 5 S-Rank ninjas by himself in a single fight. everyone should be kissing his feet. They were in reaching distance depending on what attack Sage might grant him. Edited by =Super Sage Naruto=, Jun 15 2009, 04:11 PM.
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| Ushi-U-Saru | Jun 15 2009, 04:19 PM Post #731 |
chaca chaca chaca chaca chaca chaca cha
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They were all a pretty far distance apart and he made sure none of them were in the way, hence why he could throw around multiple giant Rasengan, toss giant summons every which way while more giant summons were fighting other giant summons, Naruto's Kyuubi nukes didn't hit anybody, and it took Koh's Byakugan to see what was happening. He didn't hold back anything. |
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| ryukitsune | Jun 15 2009, 05:21 PM Post #732 |
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Master of Logical Coolness
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I did actually look at the page and for the record, Hanzou didn't mention the Rinnegan until everyone else was dead. Hanzou didn't die until a later date, When Nagato started using the six paths. Unless Hanzou directly told Danzo that Nagato survived, Which he would have no reason to do, Danzo wouldn't know what the truth would be. But revealing that the rival group possessed greater power then him would have been a stupid move, So Hanzou probably kept the truth of what happen a secret. Why would Nagato create a rumor. If anything, His actions would have had more ninjas flocking to his side. There was still the question of who was controlling the six paths, And it wasn't until quite later that it was revealed that they were nothing but puppets. By that time, Danzo was already underground. All they knew was that they possessed the Rinnegan. And once again I point out, That if Danzo knew six dead bodies had the Rinnegan, Why would he think they were connected to another person. There's nothing to said that it wasn't official business, And considering it look like the ninjas that died weren't even Anbu, Danzo couldn't possibly cover all those deaths up. Like others on this board have pointed out, Merely getting Ame to sign a treaty and become allies would have been a great accomplishment. As already shown by Nagato, All they cared about was the end result. As long as in the end they got peace, I don't think it matter all that much how they did it. Why exactly do you believe that they would have left Hanzou around when he was basically what they were fighting against. Lets say of a moment that all they really wanted was peace. If that was the case, Why would Hanzou need outside help to eliminate them? A bunch of peace-lovers would pose no threat to a group of train ninja. Even if the Ame trio survived, The fact that their followers were killed would have discourages anyone else from joining. Not to mention the reaction from the greater nations. |
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| Beastly0123 | Jun 15 2009, 08:01 PM Post #733 |
people call me beastly
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I honestly think that Sasuke will eventually kill most of Danzou's elite followers. Then Sasuke and Naruto will fight, then they'll team up against Toby. |
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| Nagi | Jun 15 2009, 08:09 PM Post #734 |
Ninja Academy Student
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Naruto has a bridge named after him. That's nice. :D |
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| HyperStorm | Jun 15 2009, 10:38 PM Post #735 |
BRO-KIZ-O
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Alright it's about time i thought this day would never come but it seems we have a hokage that would rather go by shinobi system in naruto rather than help naruto get a friend back who might not even come back. loved naruto's reaction to kiba's news loved seeing old faces again and man inari got big. 6 out of 10 |
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| KATANA | Jun 15 2009, 11:33 PM Post #736 |
Chuunin
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_Don't about ya'll, but I'm bit weary of battles. "My jutsu is bigger/better than yours" type of battle. Would like to see how Konoha is reacting to Pain's invasion, the rebuilding, more reaction to Naruto's handling the situation, reaction to Tsunade's dismal & Danzou as Hokage. I want internal battles, Sakura handling her Mentor's coma, Naruto's peers on how they saw themselves afterwards & what will be Naruto's reaction to Hinata once he's alone w/ her. And her father's reaction to his daughter's feelings. I figure him to be "old school". If there's a timeskip/part 3, would rather have Naruto's & Sasuke's rematch then before they team (I believe will happen!) up against Tobi/Uchiha Madara. _If Sasuke is on his way to Konoha to have revenge, I think T/UM will stop him. He did say he had unfinish business to deal w/ & that has to be Sasuke. And Sasuke won't reach Konoha just yet & maybe have it out w/ T/UM. But is Sasuke a match for T/UM or more powerfuL??? My possible scenario why Sasuke doesn't reach Konoha, not a "twist" or a prediction, just my take on it. Sasuke/Taka are fast approaching the Valley of the Hidden Leaf Village. When small voices are calling out to him. Sasuke/Taka stop & prepare to defend themselves. The voices belong to Denka & Hina, they & others have been searching for him. Sasuke asked why are they searching for him, he has no time to waste, he has to get to Konoha. Hina tells him there's no Konoha to get to. Sasuke is puzzle. On a high cliff overlooking Konoha, Taka is shock @ what they see. Sasuke is just silent & then asks what happened & who survived? Denka says they'll explained all on their way to the Uchiha compound, Nekobaa is waiting for him. But Sasuke wants to know now, but Hina Interrupts him to tell Sasuke that Tamaki was caught in the destruction. Sasuke eyes widen & tells them to hurry & lead the way. On their way to the Uchiha compound, Denka/Hina tell Sasuke as ninja cats, they've been keeping tabs on Konoha for Nekobaa & Tamaki. But latelyTamaki has been making the surveillance trips herself. She was looking for any info on Sasuke & maybe his whereabouts. She was @ the Uchiha secret meeting room when Pain started his invasion & was caught in Konoha's destruction as she tried to escape. She found herself badly injured & listed as a "Jane Doe" in the hospital. When Hina/Denka found her & the 1st chance they had, w/ Kasper's aid, helped Tamaki returned to the U compound. Still injured but recovering. Nekobaa hasn't left her side & wanted Sasuke there, now. Sasuke/Taka & Hina/Denka are met half way thru the compound's corridor by Nekobaa. She is surrounded by cats & looks sternly @ Sasuke. Walking thru the corridor she questions him on getting his revenge on Itachi & he's gotten the reputation as an assassin of great ninjas, 1st Orochimaru & then Itachi. Sasuke does a slight smile & says "Guess they don't know about Deidara?" But responds to Nekobaa about Tamaki taking a chance in walking thru Konoha. He may not be there to look after them anymore. Nekobaa angrily tells him there always been a Uchiha looking out for their well being, 1st Fugaku, then Itachi & finally Sasuke. Even taking dangerous risks when he was w/ Oro to fullfill his duty. He's gotten his revenge, but Sasuke interrupts her to tell her it's not complete. Nekobaa tells Sasuke he must find another reason for his existence other than revenge. They arrived @ Tamaki's room before she goes on, but Tamaki is not there. A bit worry, Nekobaa calls out for her. Tamaki repies from another room that she was in the kitchen making herself a sandwich or 4. She was so hungry. Hina replies she always eating & never stopping. Tamaki replies," Well U know the old saying, I'm eating for tw...Sasuke!". There in door way stands Tamaki, cats @ her feet, a very large tiger-like, saber-tooth cat @ her left (Kasper), her hands each holding 2 sandwiches, looking very beautiful & pregnant. Sasuke 1st just stares @ her & then approahes her w/ a slight smile. Takes her into his arms & kisses her & then buries himself in her embraced. Tamaki is tearing & smiling. Nekaobaa & the cats all looking happy. Hina/Denka telling one another about forgetting to be on guard duty that night. Suigetsu has a grin that says "atta boy", Juugo is smiling but Karin is being Karin & is about to burst when several cats come rushing to Nekobaa. They see Sasuke & replies it has to do w/ him "Danzou has been made the 6th Hokage & his 1st act is to declare Sasuke a missing-nin & his immediate disposal". Sasuke holds Tamaki closer w/ one arm & w/ the other reaches for his katana. What can I say, I'm a hopeless romantic idealist. I want love to bloom in Naruto. Not just shy teen love or love not acknowlege. Also, I want to see Sasuke to experience some hope & possiblity happiness. It's about time. |
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Jun 15 2009, 11:50 PM Post #737 |
Forum Antagonist
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I hope not that sounds like a way too rushed ending. Though it is a possibility since Kishi originally said he wanted to end the manga around 500 chapters. Though what would happen to Kisame's battle or Zetsu? |
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| ryukitsune | Jun 15 2009, 11:53 PM Post #738 |
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Master of Logical Coolness
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The same as Suigetsu vs Kisame.We get the start of the battle, And then it skips to the end. |
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Jun 16 2009, 12:04 AM Post #739 |
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Forum Antagonist
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God, I hope not! Knowing Kishi it's likely though. Especially if he wants to finish everything in 50 chapters. Though either way it's a useless battle seeing as how Naruto will never get captured and die. Kisame's only use in the story now is to die and give his sword away and Killer Bee's is to possibly train Naruto on bijuu control.....or also die. |
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| Twilight_Ninja | Jun 16 2009, 12:05 AM Post #740 |
Jounin
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Just so you know, he didn't say that. He said he wanted it to be as long or longer than Dragon Ball, which was 517 chapters long. He never specified a maximum limit. And considering he said he has ended up with more loose ends than he initially intended, I'd say this is gonna go beyond 517. Edited by Twilight_Ninja, Jun 16 2009, 12:12 AM.
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Jun 16 2009, 12:13 AM Post #741 |
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This means he wants to mostly end it roughly around the same amount of chapters.
With maybe a few extra chapters if need be. |
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| Twilight_Ninja | Jun 16 2009, 12:14 AM Post #742 |
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Well, only one way to find out. Keep reading. :P But if you ask me, the climax is still a ways off. |
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| Hidden Rain Ninja | Jun 16 2009, 01:07 AM Post #743 |
Rain; The Rain Ninja
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Serious Way Off. I Would Be So Happy If The Ending Was Like Naruto Taking The Chuunin Exam While He Was Already Hokage. Haha That'd Be So Awesome Right? |
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| Kiba32 | Jun 16 2009, 11:06 AM Post #744 |
I can see every move u make
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it would b alil boring tho becuz we wld alrdy know he wld pass so it wld b kinda pointless @ least i think so y waste time |
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| Qoureno | Jun 16 2009, 10:53 PM Post #745 |
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Ryz said: wow, Naruto is rude, he still hasn't thanked Hinata for saving his life (...) He's not rude. He's different ;) |
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| brainz | Jun 17 2009, 01:56 AM Post #746 |
Laying waste to your teams
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Well Naruto cares a lot more about Sasuke than some girl who been stalking him for who knows how long. This been obvious since part 2 began. Once Sasuke was brought up everything became filler to him including Hinata. Naruto won't be thinking about any girls for awhile now that his |
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| horyo | Jun 17 2009, 01:59 AM Post #747 |
Darwinian Rivalry
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I still don't think Hinata is a stalker. As for Naruto, there's really too much to be worried about right now than a girlfriend. His home was just squashed; his motherly boss was taken down; he just found out his father was the one who cursed him with a monster; the evil dictator man who wanted to kill his best friend is now in charge and is actively ordering an execution on Sasuke. (I'll stop my semicolon abuse now :D) That stress can't be normal for a 15-year-old. |
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| ryz | Jun 17 2009, 03:30 AM Post #748 |
Why so serious, Shichirou?
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You are misreading what I meant. I don't want Naruto to go and stick his tongue down her throat. No, the romance thing can wait, I just him to thank her for trying to save him despite the odds. Its the decent thing to do. He owes her that much.
Edited by ryz, Jun 17 2009, 03:33 AM.
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| Qoureno | Jun 17 2009, 01:53 PM Post #749 |
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Midoent said: Well Naruto cares a lot more about Sasuke than some girl who been stalking him for who knows how long. This been obvious since part 2 began. Once Sasuke was brought up everything became filler to him including Hinata. Naruto won't be thinking about any girls for awhile now that his lover Sasuke is back in the picture. In my opinion Naruto is not gay. He's in love with Sakura, remember? He's just very loyal to his friends. Too loyal, in fact. Naruto's like a dog who loves his master even though he (the master) beats him... Edited by Qoureno, Jun 17 2009, 01:54 PM.
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| jlaybon | Jun 19 2009, 01:31 AM Post #750 |
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anyone know where i can read this chapter? |
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