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Chapter 453 Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 24 2009, 07:38 AM (22,914 Views)
horyo
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Jun 28 2009, 01:51 AM
In terms of Sakura's role in this chapter, it was like reading Chapter 181 all over again....But for a Chu'nin who trained directly under the Legendary Sannin kunoichi, Sakura's emotional breakdown in this chapter is unacceptable, inexcusable and downright pitiful.
I won't excuse Sakura's behavior, especially since she memorized line 25 of the Shinobi Academy set of rules, but I will say that it's understandable, given the situation she was in; not only did she lose her home, and almost her mentor, but the past emotional trauma from Sasuke being meshed in with the new conflicts concerning him would lead her to feel helpless. He's already done all this horrid stuff that she couldn't stop, but hoped that he would return and repent. This kind of faith shattering all around her, c'mon, a 15-year-old girl, could understandably cause her to crumble. It's rather pathetic and unprofessional for someone like her, but that's how Kishimoto wants it.

Optimism tells me to hope that this development will instill a change in her to become stronger and overcome her past and internal conflicts.

And a note to other members: I still think calling her "mentally ill" is an unnecessary exaggeration, because there are people who are clinically and psychologically ill, and comparing a fictional, teenage girl to the plight of some people, for the purpose of exerting an opinion, is a foolish gesture.
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Jun 29 2009, 01:48 PM
You know how kakashi has the mankeko sharigan how did he get it by killing his best friend?
I know what i always thought? Itachi didn't want the Kyuubi captured so he told Sasuke that "kill your best friend to get MS" crap talk, and it make sense since Itachi turned out to have white feather wings. Remeber, when Itachi told Sasuke how to get MS, he never mention anything about what kinda sharingan you need.


So Sasuke can't copy Madara jutsu, guess it's that complex. i know it's not EMS cuz his eyes is always 3 tomoe on close up.
Edited by =Super Sage Naruto=, Jun 29 2009, 10:02 PM.
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The time flow is confusing. Konoha is already re-building w/ help from allies. Konoha just got word that a Kage Summit is requested. Now we see Gaara & Co leaving for the Summit. Events move fast considering they don't have any type of mass communications. They do it all by hawk.
I did find it odd that Sasuke missed seeing the Hachibi escape. Thought the Sharingan could see everything. Thought he may be (Or hoping!) he did notice & held back. As a sign he hasn't gone to the "dark side". Could it be because his eyes were weaken by the Amatersau? He also seems to being miss lead by Tobi/Uchiha Madara & Zetsu about Naruto's confrontation w/ Nagato. They make it sound like he won an out/out battle w/ Pain & not a peaceful showdown. Like if they're trying to bait him (But that really never matter to him.). Why would Sasuke want to destroy the 5 Kages? Lately his directions are becoming irrational. Can understand w/ Itachi, but since meeting up w/ T/UM goes after one target to another, the ruling council of Konoha, Konoha as a whole & now the 5 Kages? Why he hasn't gone after T/UM since he knows he took part w/ the Uchiha massacre. He keeps changing his direction as trying to confuse someone? Don't know for sure?
T/UM must have a great homing jutsu & is able to become apparition-like & has great strengthen. The only use of the Sharingan we seen is when he summons the Gedo Mazo, becasue I thought Pain was the only one who could since he may've spawn it. W/ the Sharingan, T/UM could've easily copy the jutsu. T/UM hasn't exhibit any other use of the Sharingan. What is the "Eye of the Moon" ? Why is Juggo still doing a "Benjamin Button"? Does this mean, whenever he over-extends his power, he'll grow younger?
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Jun 29 2009, 09:55 PM
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Jun 29 2009, 01:48 PM
You know how kakashi has the mankeko sharigan how did he get it by killing his best friend?
I know what i always thought? Itachi didn't want the Kyuubi captured so he told Sasuke that "kill your best friend to get MS" crap talk, and it make sense since Itachi turned out to have white feather wings. Remeber, when Itachi told Sasuke how to get MS, he never mention anything about what kinda sharingan you need.


So Sasuke can't copy Madara jutsu, guess it's that complex. i know it's not EMS cuz his eyes is always 3 tomoe on close up.
That's what I was wondering too...

I know his jutsu IS supposedly from his EMS but everytime he has used it or his eye was shown it was just a regular sharingan. So I'm kinda confused on that as to why Kishi doesn't show the EMS but just the regular sharingan whenever he does his wormhole jutsu or intangible jutsu.
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I guess that would bring up the question of why Madara is doing everything he is. So far, Kishi has been implying that Madara's actions so far are to help him regain his Sharingan power and if he has a perfectly working EMS, Why gather the Bijuus.
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Damn Gaara still has the black makeup on lol, i thought that was from not getting any sleep from having the Shikaku in him?
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Yes, but after a long time, it's not just gonna go away.

In fact, according to Kishi, it won't be going away at all.
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I can not imagine Gaara w/o his black eye circle - LOL
but thanks that garaa oufit is still matrix style
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Thanks for the info Twilight, i was confused on the eyes.



by the way Gaara looks like a bada$$ Kage lol. one of my favorites kages
Edited by hachibi_fan, Jun 30 2009, 12:28 AM.
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Is Madara still Mizukage?
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Jun 29 2009, 10:56 PM
=Super Sage Naruto=
Jun 29 2009, 09:55 PM
Where's Gaara
Jun 29 2009, 01:48 PM
You know how kakashi has the mankeko sharigan how did he get it by killing his best friend?
I know what i always thought? Itachi didn't want the Kyuubi captured so he told Sasuke that "kill your best friend to get MS" crap talk, and it make sense since Itachi turned out to have white feather wings. Remeber, when Itachi told Sasuke how to get MS, he never mention anything about what kinda sharingan you need.


So Sasuke can't copy Madara jutsu, guess it's that complex. i know it's not EMS cuz his eyes is always 3 tomoe on close up.
That's what I was wondering too...

I know his jutsu IS supposedly from his EMS but everytime he has used it or his eye was shown it was just a regular sharingan. So I'm kinda confused on that as to why Kishi doesn't show the EMS but just the regular sharingan whenever he does his wormhole jutsu or intangible jutsu.
Maybe the real one isn't there. Even though Nagato already did that trick, i wouldn't mind. I want Madara to have long hair like the picture when Itachi first meet him and the VOTE statue.
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Jun 30 2009, 03:51 AM
Is Madara still Mizukage?
No, he's a former Mizukage.

Ton Ton
 
So I'm kinda confused on that as to why Kishi doesn't show the EMS but just the regular sharingan whenever he does his wormhole jutsu or intangible jutsu.

Were we ever shown his eye whenever he actually used his jutsu?
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Jun 29 2009, 09:14 AM
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Jun 29 2009, 06:46 AM
Anways come on guys, leave Sakura alone. You are the most naive person alive if you can't see why Sakura broke down. ... Really guys, anyone in this situation would break down mentally somehow, Sakura just let out this emotion via crying.
The fact that Naruto didn't break down refutes your statement. Naruto was in the same exact situation as Sakura: Naruto is saddened by Tsunade being in a coma, his village is destroyed, and he just found out that his best friend is a member of Akatsuki. On top of that, Naruto went against his word by using his Kyuubi powers to destroy a valuable part of Konoha (i.e., Konoha's treasured mountains), and Naruto recently learned that his daddy made him a Jinchuuriki. Furthermore, Naruto lost his teacher, which is worse than being alive in a coma. Obviously the loss of Jiraiya still hurts, evidenced by Naruto's flashbacks of the J-man (such as Page 12 of this chapter).

It's not fair for you to assume that people who disagree with Sakura's public breakdown either "don't know much about her character or understand her role in the manga." For starters, Sakura's role isn't to be a crybaby, it's to be a Leaf ninja. Secondly, Sakura requesting to be Tsunade's apprentice was supposed to correct her weaknesses from Part I. This chapter confirms that Sakura has a long way to go in her development, and the opinion that Sakura's public breakdown was uncalled for is valid and justified.

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No actually I'm afraid it does not.
It is unfair to compare Sakura and Naruto simply because Naruto had already come to terms with the death of his mentor and his huge responsibility. He cried back in chapter 405, and after feeling bad and crying, along with some words from Shikamaru and Iruka, he manned up and accepted the burden placed upon his shoulders. We have seen a huge mental maturity in Naruto, he has learned and accepted that there is going to be more pain down the road and he still wants to find a way to end it, to bring peace and justice to the world.

Sakura on the other hand has not had this emotional and mental maturity. So it is perfectly acceptable that she broke down during that traumatic time. And please, save me the trouble and don't bring the cloud ninja into this, we cant compare them to Sakura because we known almost nothing about their character and we cant jump to conclusions or assumptions. Sakura still has a long way to go in maturing emotionally, on top of that her emotions were just unstable due to all of the recent sorrow she has felt and this caused her to break down when she heard about Sasuke in Akatsuki. Much like how if you keep putting weight on a sheet of glass, until, eventually, the slightest added weight could shatter it. Also, Sakura is a girl. I'm not sexist at all, but girls are known to be more emotional then men are.

I apologize for my previous statement coming off as arrogant or naive, but I believe people calling out Sakura is NOT valid nor is it justified when you look at the recent situation.
Edited by XxKohuroxX09, Jun 30 2009, 07:47 AM.
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I wonder why naruto didn't comment when they asked him if he knew what it was like to lose a master
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Jun 29 2009, 10:08 PM
The time flow is confusing. Konoha is already re-building w/ help from allies. Konoha just got word that a Kage Summit is requested. Now we see Gaara & Co leaving for the Summit. Events move fast considering they don't have any type of mass communications. They do it all by hawk.
I did find it odd that Sasuke missed seeing the Hachibi escape. Thought the Sharingan could see everything. Thought he may be (Or hoping!) he did notice & held back. As a sign he hasn't gone to the "dark side". Could it be because his eyes were weaken by the Amatersau? He also seems to being miss lead by Tobi/Uchiha Madara & Zetsu about Naruto's confrontation w/ Nagato. They make it sound like he won an out/out battle w/ Pain & not a peaceful showdown. Like if they're trying to bait him (But that really never matter to him.). Why would Sasuke want to destroy the 5 Kages? Lately his directions are becoming irrational. Can understand w/ Itachi, but since meeting up w/ T/UM goes after one target to another, the ruling council of Konoha, Konoha as a whole & now the 5 Kages? Why he hasn't gone after T/UM since he knows he took part w/ the Uchiha massacre. He keeps changing his direction as trying to confuse someone? Don't know for sure?
T/UM must have a great homing jutsu & is able to become apparition-like & has great strengthen. The only use of the Sharingan we seen is when he summons the Gedo Mazo, becasue I thought Pain was the only one who could since he may've spawn it. W/ the Sharingan, T/UM could've easily copy the jutsu. T/UM hasn't exhibit any other use of the Sharingan. What is the "Eye of the Moon" ? Why is Juggo still doing a "Benjamin Button"? Does this mean, whenever he over-extends his power, he'll grow younger?
Normally i'd agree but then you have to ask yourself, how the "best of the best" wasted there time performing and focusing chakra on a clone for a "Ritual Jutsu" thus being equally dumbed down. It's safe to say Killerbee has the most amazing clones we've ever seen.

I feel lame, i need to make a fancy anime related name if i start posting here more often...
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I feel lame, i need to make a fancy anime related name if i start posting here more often...

I got one, it's real original too. How about Sasuke Hitsugaya. Get it? The two people I hate the most. <_<
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Not that deciding upon new usernames has anything to do with the chapter.
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so gaara has his gourd back..sand defense but manual transmission this time?...or what if he still had his automatic defense..i think that is one plot hole i could live with..wonder how long it'll take ole kishi to show us what gaara can or cannot do in terms of moves and power...
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Where's The New Thread For 454 Chapter? Confirmed Spoilers Have Been Sight. So Excited About Danzou's Eye And Arm.
Edited by Hidden Rain Ninja, Jul 1 2009, 12:43 AM.
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Jun 30 2009, 09:19 PM
so gaara has his gourd back..sand defense but manual transmission this time?...or what if he still had his automatic defense..i think that is one plot hole i could live with..wonder how long it'll take ole kishi to show us what gaara can or cannot do in terms of moves and power...
Well if you look at the previous chapters when gaara kankoru and temari step in there in for a few chapters where they fight someone and what not and then are taking out for awhile
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if madara can synch gedo mazou with sasuke. then maybe he is the one who syched it with pain in the past...and guess who was present when pain was linked to gedo mazou......danzou
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what are you suggesting egwarrior that danzou has something to do with madara and akatuski?
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Jul 1 2009, 10:57 AM
what are you suggesting egwarrior that danzou has something to do with madara and akatuski?
He's suggesting that Danzou is Madara like many of the people on this site belief is a true theory.
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IMO, that theory is too much of a block of swiss cheese to be true. [Full of holes for those who didn't get the joke :P ]

It's just another 4th=AL theory and Danzo's non-functioning arm and eye prove it.
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Now that danzo's hokage that would be almost impossible and isn't he trying to find kabuto to help him with his arm and leg and face
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