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Who, What, When, Why And How?; Have a simple quick question?
Topic Started: Apr 26 2006, 01:57 PM (79,029 Views)
Cloudnin03
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that really clears things up. So what you're saying is that when you make two elements appear at the same time, and then merge them to a balance inside your body, than you can create a new element.

That also raises a new question:
When Naruto was trying to focus his wind natured chakra Kakashi told him to immagin his chakra splitting and rubbing up against itself. Naturally I feel that there are 'shortcuts' to manipulating all elements.

So, in order to bring forth two elements at the same time, you would need to immagin two 'shortcuts' occoring at the same time? Or would you have to create one element in one hand and then another element in another hand. If that's the case, when you are focusing for another element won't the first one dissapear? :blink:

Man Kishimoto really made a mistake when he tried to "difine" chakra in depth.
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Elyon
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He didn't make a mistake. Only those with the Kekkei Genkai of creating a new element are able to call forth two elements at once.
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Yeah, people with a Kekkei Genkai are most likely able to merge the 2 respective elements without much trouble.
Cloudnin03, it would be impossible to think of two "shortcuts" at once. If anybody without a Kekkei Genkai to merge elements (to make wood or ice) were able to merge elements, Haku and Shodai/Yamato's abilities wouldn't really be Kekkei Genkais. And it wouldn't really have to start anywhere. It's just like the genetic code and evolution: a trait will change slowly because the DNA changes. You can't teach yourself how to have the DNA for cholesterol-eating cells.
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Cloudnin03
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So shodai just was born with those abilities while his brother wasn't?
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Rubix89
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Yea that's right. I think

I forgot if he was born with it or if he developed it. Either way, it was just him.
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Cloudnin03
Jan 14 2007, 05:51 PM
So shodai just was born with those abilities while his brother wasn't?

He might have been the start of the bloodline limit. Bloodline limits have to start somewhere.
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airwalkjutsu
Jan 14 2007, 05:07 PM
Cloudnin03
Jan 14 2007, 05:51 PM
So shodai just was born with those abilities while his brother wasn't?

He might have been the start of the bloodline limit. Bloodline limits have to start somewhere.

Exactly! and that was my questioon. Merging two elements isn't something any ninja can do. Yet, someone has done it and It's obviously not genetics because his brother doesn't have the same ability which means he did it. but how did he do it. I know all of the technical stuff, but even so, it's near impossible without a bloodline.
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No it was genetics. He was the start. The Nidaime didn't have the same abilities, the Shodai did. If the Nidaime were born first, maybe he would.

He had a bloodline. A Kekkei Genkai. And not all Kekkei Genkai are transfered to offspring.
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Brothers don't have the same genes. You have two parents, and thousands of traits. The only way to be the same is to be twins, and they obviously aren't twins.
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Thanks for that. I'll just frop the first queston on how someone can fuse two elements, and focus on the second one about Shodai's bijuu controlling abilities. On the main page it says that Shodai's chakra necklace helped him control the bijuu. So is that his chakra or the result of some extreemely powerfull jutsu?

There is a possiblity that if he focuses his chakra into the necklace it would have an effect on the bijuu, but then does Yamato do the same thing?

Also, lets say Naruto tried fousing his chakra into the necklace, would it make him able to controll the nintails chakra better?

Sorry about all these questions, I am a very inqusitive ninja. :unsure:
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Cloudnin03
Jan 14 2007, 05:33 PM
Thanks for that. I'll just frop the first queston on how someone can fuse two elements, and focus on the second one about Shodai's bijuu controlling abilities. On the main page it says that Shodai's chakra necklace helped him control the bijuu. So is that his chakra or the result of some extreemely powerfull jutsu?

There is a possiblity that if he focuses his chakra into the necklace it would have an effect on the bijuu, but then does Yamato do the same thing?

Also, lets say Naruto tried fousing his chakra into the necklace, would it make him able to controll the nintails chakra better?

Sorry about all these questions, I am a very inqusitive ninja. :unsure:

Yamato was infused with Shodai's DNA, so the bijuu controlling is another Kekkai Genkai. When they said that the necklace was used to help focus his chakra for it, then maybe he just used it like when Naruto had the leaf symbol drawn on his hand. It may have been something that just helped him concentrate.

...Then again, it could be one of those things like Asuma's knives...you got me questioning now thanks...
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Sorry 'bout that.

It could be both like Asumas knives and naruto's training symbol because by focusing his chakra into the neaklace it would help him build up a required amount of chakra AND by balancing his chakra with that of the the necklace it could produce an effect that controll the powers of the bijuu.

I feel we're getteing closer to an answer.......
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All we really know is that Shodai used it for something. It doesn't allow the user to use bijuu control because Yamato does it. He may have just stored chakra in it so when he needed it, he could take it out.

We will probably find some greater significance later in the manga.
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Cloudnin03
Jan 14 2007, 05:33 PM
Thanks for that. I'll just frop the first queston on how someone can fuse two elements, and focus on the second one about Shodai's bijuu controlling abilities. On the main page it says that Shodai's chakra necklace helped him control the bijuu. So is that his chakra or the result of some extreemely powerfull jutsu?

There is a possiblity that if he focuses his chakra into the necklace it would have an effect on the bijuu, but then does Yamato do the same thing?

Also, lets say Naruto tried fousing his chakra into the necklace, would it make him able to controll the nintails chakra better?

Sorry about all these questions, I am a very inqusitive ninja. :unsure:

The necklace is what helped Yamato to control the Bijuu. The Shodai could freely control them. And i'm guessing the Shodai's chakra may be in the necklace a bit, or some of his DNA is in it.
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You asked a question that can't be answered yet. Everything is just opinions. Anyway, I think I was right in saying that it was used as a focusing point. Shodai was a Hokage, so he was obviously powerful and didn't need it, but Yamato uses it to focus his chakra and control the Nine-Tails inside Naruto. With enough practice, Yamato will probably not need it to help focus, just like how Naruto can make a Rasengan without a leaf drawn on his hand.
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Naruto's only ever had to focus with the leaf during his training.
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Thats what I said...or at least what I thought I said. Yamato is not as powerful as Shodai was, so he just uses it as a focus point on Naruto (I think.) I just used the leaf as an example of this.
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But Yamato can only surpress the Kyuubi while Naruto's wearing the necklace. If it's just about a focusing point, he should be able to surpress the Kyuubi without the necklace. As a Jounin, he shouldn't need it at all.
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Good point...it must have some part of Shodai in it then (like you said Elyon), or some of his chakra. Bijuu control is a Kekkai Genkai, so it has to have some part of him in it if this is the answer. And Tsunade said that it was a rare (can't remember if it was one-of-a-kind or not) crystal, so it should have a unique property. Maybe it's just a chakra crystal.
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So we're all agreed then yes?

It was Shodai basically because he's just cool like that. That's pretty much what it comes down to.
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You're so insightful....but you just said it like it is so I shouldn't be talking.

Next question.
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i think the 2nd hokage was the coolest looking. off topic i kno. but 2nd hokage was sweet. and he doesnt get enough attention. 1st hokage gets all the special abilities. i think since the 2nd is his brother, and also helped him establish hidden leaf, he too should have some awesome traits. if 2nd were to have awesome traits i would give him:
-SUPER DUPER 10/10 SPEED! like a little faster than Gai
-He should be able to make ice since 1st can make tree
-He should like have a super cool all powerful jutsu like a water cannon shot or something.
-& some schveeeeet abilities to go with his lightening sword.
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the abuilty to silence you, you can be a great ninja without ultra powerful moves that only you can do.
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OK that's all good and dandy, but what was the question?
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BigTruth275316
Jan 14 2007, 06:47 PM
the abuilty

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the question btw is who what where when why and how. no particular topic.
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