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| Chapter 597 Discussion | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 12 2012, 06:42 AM (10,647 Views) | |
| Sardaukar | Aug 12 2012, 06:42 AM Post #1 |
I Ain't Even Mad
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Chapter's out, blah blah blah... |
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| Rika24 | Aug 12 2012, 07:04 AM Post #2 |
NaruHina, SasuSaku, KakaGai Fan
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as an Obito fan i am officially scared now (even though i have always believed it was him, i hope it isn't now. and Kakashi freaking out and Gai asking him if he's okay... awww poor Kashi-kun... YOU BETTER NOT DIE! i gave it 10/10 just because of the anxiety i felt reading it XD |
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| RinHatake | Aug 12 2012, 07:18 AM Post #3 |
Genin
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Wow. On the one hand, always had the suspicion that Obito was involved in the whole Tobi thing. On the other hand, I had a hard time believing he would become evil... I wonder what everyone thinks! It was a sort of confusing chapter. When Tobi said "I told you not to open your mouth so easily!" is that referencing an earlier part of the fight or is it supposed to reference a line from Kakashi Gaiden? (I haven't read most of this fight, only been following the last couple of chapters.) Do you guys think that he's really Obito all grown up or that it's someone else using Obito's eye? And why was he impersonating Uchiha Madara? I think the whole Kamui explanation is inventive. The part where he's talking about how Kakashi's words meant nothing and all he did was make excuses in front of graves... They showed Kakashi not in front of the Memorial Stone but in front of an actual grave. Do you think he could be referring to Rin? Since we don't know what happened to her, perhaps she wasn't MIA but died some other way and so was buried in Konoha. |
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| Rika24 | Aug 12 2012, 07:25 AM Post #4 |
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NaruHina, SasuSaku, KakaGai Fan
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at this point it's almost impossible for Tobi to not be Obito, seeing as he has such hate for him and the only think i can think of is Rin (if it were Izuna he wouldn't care less about Kakashi). it would either be Obito 100% half Obito or not Obito and just Tobi trying to buy himself some time to remove Kakashi from the fight seeing as he just discovered a way around his most used defense. and did anyone else notice how Kakashi seemed to be on the verge of a panic attack when Gai asked him if he was ok? if Tobi really is Obito, do you think Kakashi will snap? he has been carrying all that guilt with him for years, blaming himself. For Kakashi to realize that his best friend has become like this, and blames him personally, i just have a bad feeling that Kakashi might become a bit suicidal (or at least obsessed with setting things right, which makes me think Kakashi will tell Naruto to back off and let him fight) i just don't see a rational reaction if he is 100% Obito. Edited by Rika24, Aug 12 2012, 07:27 AM.
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| RinHatake | Aug 12 2012, 07:33 AM Post #5 |
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Genin
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I do think there's still a chance it's this. We clearly know that Tobi isn't above manipulating his own identity... just how many people has he claimed to be so far?? If this really was the secret motivation behind Tobi's Tsukiyomi plan, I feel like the reveal would have been a little more dramatic. It seemed very rushed! And then how things just rolled on in to the Kyuubi taking over and talking about how great Naruto was... the whole thing seemed very confusing and rushed! It just seems like for a big dramatic denouement like that, Kishimoto would savor the moment a little, but perhaps I'm wrong. I think if it is Obito Kakashi will be upset, but with Gai and Naruto there to rally him I think he'll be okay during the fight. It doesn't seem Kishimoto's style to give him a big break down mid-fight, although it will still be angsty. Now they've figured out the secret to Tobi's disappearing technique, it seems that he can't be defeated without Kakashi because Kakashi's Kamui is his weakness, so Kakashi's got to stay in the game. |
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| BHM1250 | Aug 12 2012, 07:40 AM Post #6 |
Genin
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So Tobi is actually using Obito's eye this whole time instead of his body, now it all makes sense. At the same time, it felt like it should've been obvious this whole time.
Edited by BHM1250, Aug 12 2012, 07:40 AM.
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| RinHatake | Aug 12 2012, 07:42 AM Post #7 |
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Genin
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Well, there were definitely hints early on-- I remember back a while there was a bit of a staredown between Tobi and Kakashi, and there was the time when Tobi rescued Sasuke and told Kakashi that his eye wouldn't work on him. It's not like this theory hasn't been out there for years and years, but now it's just looking like it's confirmed (still not definite, could be another trick). |
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| The Guardian | Aug 12 2012, 07:52 AM Post #8 |
The God Of War
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It confirmed nothing. We have seen Tobi collect every eye he can get his hands on. Heck, he collected Itachi's and Attempted to take Danzou's as well. So it isn't a shocker that he took Obito's However, it isn't really impossible that Kakashi and Tobi may share something. Edited by The Guardian, Aug 12 2012, 07:52 AM.
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| Salamanca | Aug 12 2012, 08:03 AM Post #9 |
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Can't kill an idea
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I think this chapter sorta confirm that Tobi obtain his sharingan from Obito, when Kakashi asked where he got the sharingan he said the previous war not "I obtain it at birth" or something along those lines. So best bet he is not Obito but he def is using Obito's eye. Also great seen how Tobi jutsu works. I admire Tobi's speech on calling out Naruto's answer to how obtain peace. "hope" is temporary and doesn't last. Which means eventually he will fail like J-man and Minato did they had hope but not a true answer to achieve peace One last thing, last time I checked Obito did not have a grave, his memorial was that stone thing. So could that flashback where Kakashi is standing over could be Rin's? If so Tobi must have witness it to known that Kakashi has failed at keeping promises. Meaning Tobi could have been around Konoha back then. Food for thought. Even with the lack of action. I loved it. Next chapter in two weeks right. We got this one extremely early. |
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| narutofan85 | Aug 12 2012, 08:17 AM Post #10 |
Chuunin
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Wow craziness this week. A chapter on a Saturday night and more about Tobi. Crazy he got his eye at Kannabi bridge. It can't be Obito it seems to me Tobi took the eye. Not sure how since Obito was crushed under a boulder. Kakashi seems to know who he is now, can't wait for the revelation. I also liked the color pages, especially the splash page with Naruto getting older. It's as I thought with Tobi's technique, he sends a specific body part to a different dimension so it doesn't get hit. Naruto in Bijuu mode FTW. Can't wait to see him go at it with Tobi. 10/10 |
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| Kartoon-Man | Aug 12 2012, 08:39 AM Post #11 |
Gomu Gomu No
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Seems like Tobi probably collected everyone's eye and tested them out and Obito's seemed to have a power he was looking for. I'm predicting that with Tobi's death Kakashi gets the other eye. 10/10 |
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Aug 12 2012, 09:13 AM Post #12 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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I don't know who Tobi is all i know is that Zetsu can do all that stuff.He can become the land,so getting an eye under a rock ,no problem.We've seen him observe fights,so spying on a grave site, no biggy.He can look like anyone,steal the chakra ,has no identity.Oh yeah he records what he sees and can show you later.He splits and fuses, multiplies by the thousands.Is there anything he cant do?how much has he seen?does he know everything? |
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| keket | Aug 12 2012, 09:26 AM Post #13 |
Jounin
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And what would be the point of having second sharingan? Kakashi can`t deactivated it so it would constantly drain his chakra unless he will have it hidden behind his mask. So having two sharingans will do no good for him, he will lose chakra faster and in normal life he would be blind for most of the time because his sharingans would have to be hidden |
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| chubide | Aug 12 2012, 10:24 AM Post #14 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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For the love of God can we have at least ONE chapter that isn't "Sharingan Sharingan Sharingan SHARINGAAAAAA........." |
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| RisaE | Aug 12 2012, 10:42 AM Post #15 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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Hmm, so the fact that it's Obito's sharingan has been more or less definitely confirmed. I thought it was a pretty exciting chapter, but what got to me the most is how Kakashi was shaking after Tobi shouted at him, and how he stayed quiet, in total shock, for the rest of the chapter. A little worried about him :/ As for the grave being Rin's, I never considered that, maybe :/ I still think it may be Obito's though, though I really don't have any backing here as he does always go to the memorial stone rather than a grave, that, and Obito's body seemed to be a bit impossible to retrieve. Well... I'm excited for the next chapter. And wow, Kyuubi is Naruto's biggest fan, huh? 9/10. |
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| Akatstewie | Aug 12 2012, 10:42 AM Post #16 |
Chuunin
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I'm still going to call that Tobi is Zetsu with all of the knowledge and memories of Madara and has Obito's eye which is why referring himself to "No one" is starting to make more sense. 8/10 |
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| Nick165K | Aug 12 2012, 11:06 AM Post #17 |
Genin
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I have a feeling were going to see Tobi's MS activated soon and it will look the exact same as Kakashi's. |
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| Talleyferro | Aug 12 2012, 12:09 PM Post #18 |
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Did Kishi make Obito's eyes too strong? He would have been able to make anybody or any jutsu disappear and would never have been able to be hit. I think allowing Kakashi to use Kamui multiple times per day is a serious oversight...think back to the Minato fight. If Obito were fighting Minato, he could have just played conservatively and simply kamui'd that thrown kunai. any thoughts as to a potential weakness if Obito were alive and had both eyes? Just seems a bit strong. Also, I'm presuming that for Obito it would have been a regular sharingan technique rather than a MS technique. Kakashi needs MS to use it, Obito (or a Uchiha body) needs the eye only at Sharingan levels. |
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| Cheetah | Aug 12 2012, 12:16 PM Post #19 |
Sound Ninja from the Cloud
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So are we getting 598 in a few days? |
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| Roku | Aug 12 2012, 12:21 PM Post #20 |
ANBU Jedi adventurer
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10/10 Damn Kakashi ,you scary. |
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| Cheetah | Aug 12 2012, 12:27 PM Post #21 |
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Sound Ninja from the Cloud
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Kakashi said it's "one jutsu," not the same jutsu. Obito was the Naruto of Kakashi's team. Had things continued, yeah, he would've had both techs, and would've been very powerful. It's in his blood. And it may have even taken a while to master them. Surely Minato would've shown some special interest in his student knowing space-time techs as well. Tobi's tech is close-range. Evasive. A way for travel. Kakashi's is long-range. Can grab any object he focuses on (even if he can't actually see it) and send it to another dimension. Deidara's arm... which Tobi spit out, and the missile that was fired at Chouji. I guess Tobi spat that out too. It seems Tobi has known before Shippuuden even started that Kakashi had activated MS. I would love for Kishi to do one, if not both, of these things: Make another movie. Continue the story as if Obito never died. Just have some sort of epic mission I guess. We'll even get to see more of Minato and Rin. Make MS Obito a playable character in a future Ninja Storm. |
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| FictionReader98 | Aug 12 2012, 12:38 PM Post #22 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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So Tobi ends up having Obito's other eye. I guess being smashed isn't what it used to be. Still, it's not that surprising, theories like this have been going on for years. We have seen that Tobi collects eyes (as I recall it was right after the Sasuke and Danzo fight), so there was plenty going for it. And who knows, maybe the connection between the two will go farther. What somewhat disappoints me is that the Phasing and Teleporting here have long been associated with Tobi as his skills, now it's revealed it's not his at all, but just another asset he's collected over the years. I'd would say it makes sense given that Tobi has been shown more as a manipulator and various comments about him not being in his prime, but since his identity - if that truly matters at all - is now in question, I wonder if anything about the guy makes sense anymore. Still a bit of a shame. Wonder if Tobi goes and tests each eye he collects to see what it can do during all his free time. It was rather amusing to think that if Obito had lived what his fighting style and prestige would be like with both eyes and utilizing them to his fullest capacity. Rest of the chapter I didn't think was overall special. Not saying it was bad, but nothing really makes it stand out. We get Kakashi explaining what happened previous chapter with the warping Rasengan, and declaration on how Naruto won't give up. Basic bread and butter. Gave the chapter a 6. |
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| Twilight_Ninja | Aug 12 2012, 01:48 PM Post #23 |
Jounin
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Simple solution. Concentrate on what the chapter/story is actually about instead of keeping that small element a focal point. |
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| oblivion | Aug 12 2012, 03:46 PM Post #24 |
OUR RASENGAN WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN
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first off, this chapter told us something very important. tobi got his eye during the war in a fight on the bridge. this could mean 1 of 2 things. either he found it there (collecting sharingan eyes is as common in konoha as collecting stamps is to us), which would mean that he isnt obito, OR it could mean he activated it during the war, in which case he is obito and he used that activated ability to save his life when the he supposedly died. as for the non-sharingan antics (of which there were few), tobi's speech was a bit silly. i had hoped tobi knew better than to tell naruto he wont be able to accomplish something. i really wanted to avoid this whole "im special because im naruto and ill be hokage so its time to win now" speech that we've all seen too many times before. i had hoped we'd see something similar to what itachi said where tobi tells naruto that he cant just kyuubi his way through everything... i guess not. on the bright side, the kyuubi has seemingly bought this whole idea of brute force through using kyuubi powers so at least it'll be interesting to see the kyuubi's side of this traditional speech. |
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Aug 12 2012, 04:41 PM Post #25 |
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Ninja Academy Student
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i still dont think it can be obito, because why would he want to kill minato and his wife and newborn?? and another thing..do we all agree that naruto is stronger now than minato was when he fought tobi, or at least that naruto's more advanced rasengan is more powerful?? because when minato hit tobi with his incomplete rasengan, tobi lost an arm...naruto's rasengan just tore his clothes and bruise his arm..........idk why but could the previous tobi had been a zetsu clone, but now he's a real person??? because i doubt tobi's arm would still be in place after that attack if he was a zetsu clone....food for thought |
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